This interview appeared
in August 2003 issue of a classical music journal "Strings" . Toshi
was interviewed by the chief editor. Toshi was a vocalist in a rock
group which dominated Japanese music scene at one time, but then after
he left the group, he has been giving concerts called "UTATABI ~Traveling
Concert" all over Japan for these 5 years.
He gives concerts almost every day, and he even sings at some places
all day from the morning till night. Singing in voluntary concerts at
schools or at welfare facilities and also holding concerts on his own,
it seems almost reckless to us, however, he seems to be enjoying to
see the people crying and feeling healed by his songs. In fact, he has
given more than 3,000 concerts so far, and people seem to be touched
and healed at the concerts. When he left this super famous rock group
"X JAPAN", people goshipped a lot about him. Today we're going to ask
him to tell why and how he started this traveling concert, "UTATABI"
with his own words.
I felt so empty then…
It is almost 7 years ago, when I met MASAYA for the first time and I
decided I would sing his songs some day. In those days I was still
coming and going between Japan and America, and we were at the
summit of so-called "visuals". I was living in the States and we
were moving on to the world music scene, however my heart was
growing wild and I felt like killing myself. I was on the verge of a
suicide, to tell you the truth. Nothing was going right.
I was posing as a big star, behaving flamboyantly and
charismatically, making people believe I am a good person, however,
I was feeling so empty and painful inside. I was in despair, I felt
like I won't trust anything or anybody.
Although I played rock music and was a visual rock singer, all the
music I was listening then was "Iyashi-kei (healing type of music).
In those days, there was no word like "Iyashi-kei", it was not that
popular. People called it healing music or New Age music then.
I was living in Los Angeles then, and I used to go to CD shops to
buy a whole shelf of New Age or healing music CDs. I was so fanatic
about healing music 'cause I was not healed at heart, I guess. I was
behaving O.K., however, I was seeking for every kind of healing
music.
One day, I went to a healing music corner at a Japanese CD shop, and
found a big display rack with a name of MASAYA. I had no idea who he
was. I took a piece of CD out. It said "Itoshiki Inochi no Uta (Song
for Precious Life". On the surface of the album, there was a picture
of a child jumping off from a playground slide, and its father was
waiting and reaching his hands to the child. Just to see the orange
toned picture I was touched at heart. ( I came to know later that
the late Norie Matsuda, who was a partner of MASAYA, drew the
picture.) It was such a simple and heartful picture. Then I bought
the CD and listened to it at home. I didn't know why, but I could
not stop crying. I felt so touched…. Just to remember how it was
then makes me almost cry. I felt something was wrong with my life, I
felt like so without any reasons.
... You said you felt unfulfilled, but about
what did you feel so? To your own music, or what else…?
Of course, I felt so about my music. I was wondering whether I'd
been singing what I really wanted, however,
I was more doubtful about my own life. I became a rock star. I got
everything I wanted. All my dreams since childhood came true. I got
a big house with a swimming pool. I got a fancy car. Yes, I got
everything I wanted. However, I was still unfulfilled, empty. Even
worse, I was still obsessed with these ideas; to get even better
than now, to be more famous and bigger. I was beating me up ,
telling myself "I haven't got enough. Not enough..."
Then I had a chance to listen to MASAYA, that made me cry without
any reason. Every night I listened to a lot of CDs, however, in the
end, I listened to MASAYA. I took his CDs wherever I went and
listented to them.
At that time, I visited Yakushima Island for shooting pictures for
my coming solo album. I had a very good image of its deep green
trees of Yakushima. I stayed there for 2 days, came back to Tokyo
with a hope to come back to the island someday. Then I happened to
read an article about a small resort hotel on Yakushima Island when
browsing for some magazines at a Tokyo bookshop. I was impressed by
the article as it said the small hotel was produced by MASAYA, a
healing music pioneer. I instantly thought I would love to visit the
hotel. Then after 2 months, I arranged my schedule and flied to
Yakushima again.
I didn't know what to do with my life then, and I was traveling all
over the world, to see many artists and visit many places. I saw
various kinds of art works. And my last destination was Yakushima. I
was touched just to go into that small hotel. I didn't know why, but
tears welled up. There was a small museum of Norie Matsuda at the
hotel ground. I thought immediately the picture were what I'd been
longing to see. I felt a difference in the air.
It was a special space reserved for MASAYA music and Norie Art. I
read a message on one of the doors.
It said, "I am happy to have met MASAYA 'cause he stripped me off
all my ideals. Ideals are the causes of desires, and they themselves
hold back our beautiful and immeasurable creativities, I thought".
"I was accepted for the first time in my life not to become somebody.
We are Children of Miracle, Children of the universe from the
beginning. We don't have to be good, neither great, nor righteous.
As we don't seek for anything, everything will come to us quite
naturally". etc. etc.
I was amazed. I had no idea what she was saying because I was always
trying hard to be better, to be greater. Although I lived my life
trying so hard to become somebody since childhood, she says, "I was
permitted not to become somebody, and I became happy in whatever
circumstance I am." What does she mean? I had no idea at all. What
does she mean by not becoming somebody, but we have to become
somebody. I was totally confused in my mind. However, to see her
simple and beautiful pictures and accompanied messages, something
was totally falling apart in myself.
Norie wrote quite a number of stories for children when she was a
nursery teacher. There is a story of the rabbit and the turtle. To
see the turtle trying hard to run, the rabbit feels ashamed of
himself and apologize to the turtle. The rabbit knew that he would
win the game from the beginning, however, he still wanted to beat
the turtle and to feel superior. The rabbit felt so ashamed with
himself. In the end, both of them took hands and hit the goal
together. This is a story of "The Rabbit and The Turtle who won
together", and I found myself crying my heart out lying down on the
floor. I really wanted to go and see MASAYA who produces such a
beautiful artist like Norie Matsuda.
Several months later, I went to MASAYA's concert. I never cried so
much in a concert as in MASAYA's. After the concert, he kindly took
some time to talk with me. He said something as "It's not a problem
of becoming someone but of going back. Not going over but coming
back. We give names to everything, like this is the earth or the
universe, however, we are in the midst of something immeasurably
mysterious in reality. There is no self from the beginning, we are
something tremendous " He said something like that, but I couldn't
understand him at all. However, deep inside me, I was touched by his
words.
I was pampered by other people everywhere I went. People told me "You
are special", and treated me as a star. However, I was told by
MASAYA, "If you were not famous nor a star, we might make good
friends. As long as you remain to be a star, I will not be
interested in you. If I were related to you, it would make a trouble.
So, I don't want to be friends with you".
I was suprised to hear that. What is he saying?! I was never told
something like he said, however, I felt somewhat happy with what he
said. It was the first experience in my life to feel really
connected with someone. I'd been living in a circumstance for almost
10 years where people come to us because we're famous. I felt
somewhat excited to find something quite different.
I visited Yakushima in June 1997 for the first time, and then I met
MASAYA in August that year. Actually I had already left X JAPAN in
April of the previous year. It was not revealed yet then. However,
my staffs were trying to create "TOSHI" project which can match "X
JAPAN". A part of me wanted to be involved in the new project,
however, some part of me didn't feel like taking that line. I
wondered why I left X JAPAN. I myself couldn't figure out why.
MASAYA also told me, "You didn't feel fulfilled even if you reached
the top in a rock music scene, but then, trying to be No. 1 in a New
Age, healing music scene or something gentle will end in failure,
either". His words were so incisive to me! And he was completely
right!
To tell the truth, I had a desire to sing MASAYA and to do well with
healing music. However, he saw through it, saying "You cannot sing
MASAYA with such an evil design! And he was right. I was thinking I
would reach the top to sing such great songs.
Among X JAPAN members, I was always third in popularity. After
Yoshiki and Hide, I was always third. I am the third son in my
family, but I was always so wherever I was. I couldn't beat them.
Even though X JAPAN reached the top, I was always losing in the
group, and I was so jealous of them in reality. So, I behaved like
"a good person". I look quite evil though.
In the group, they behaved quite uniquely, but I was like a good
person, or I behaved like so. I was trying to put some kind of
atomosphere around me that I am different from others. I am unique
because I am more into the heart, or I am singing healing songs, or
maybe I'll be able to beat them up... Such evil intentions were there
deep inside.
I myself dared not to be aware of my hidden intentions, however,
MASAYA revealed it entirely. It was quite shocking for me. To find
myself coming closer to MASAYA to fulfill my desires, I thought I
always had this evil intentions with me.
I finally found why I felt so empty….
Then MASAYA told me a story of how he changed his attitude of life
when he joined a self-help seminar at the age of 27.He was a young
executive of a company highly listed on the stock exchange, and he
was sought after in the economic circle. But then at the seminar he
realized he had taken a wrong way and he strongly wished to make a
living only by doing something pure and essential.
He also said that he became a trainer himself later. I thought I
would love to join his training. I was specially accepted to join a
self awareness training for the first time in my life, which had
been postoned for 2 years because of Norie Matsuda's sickness and
death. In the seminar, we were led to see why we were as we were,
why we act as such, why we think in a certain way, etc. through
various kinds of works.
I realized that I had behaved like "a good boy" all through my life
then. I am the third and last child in my family. I was often hit by
my brothers, bullied by them, however, I had all my fearful memories
removed somehow. Even though I was bullied, I never said No! to them,
even laughing foolishly, I still wanted to play with them. However,
it was all because I was so scared.
My parents were also on bad terms, and within such a tense
atomosphere, I always tried to judge their feelings. They often told
me, "You are as good as a girl!", maybe they wanted a daughter.
However, I was born as a son, and I tried hard to be as good as my
parents expetations. I seemed dedicated to my parents, however, it
was not really so. I tried to please them only because I was scared.
I just realized that I had lived my life just trying to judge their
(other people's) feelings. I was deeply shocked.
Also, I have rather protruding jaw, and I have a tremendous
inferiority feeling to my protruding jaw. A girl friend of mine at
elementary school pointed it out, and I remembered I felt so ashamed
to hear that. I felt like I did something bad. However, it is of
course impossible to hide my protruding jaw, so I tried to hide my
inferior feelings toward the jaw, instead. However, I was awfully
scared that I might be taken a mean advantage on by other people, or
that I might be excluded from them.
So, I tried to do everything neatly, music, physical exercises and
school subjects, I did everything quite well. However, whatever I
did, I felt empty, I had no sense of fulfillment, no sense of
achievement. It is because I was doing something I didn't want to, I
was doing it only because I was scared. I thought I could protect
myself if I won popularity, if I became superior or if I had a
better position to others. Therefore, I realized I was not doing
anything because I wanted to do so.
My life was filled with fakes, behaving superficially a very good
person, it was full of jealosies and envies. Acting like an honest
person, in fact, I was a liar, a hypocrite and arrogant. I was
always watching outside, because I was scared my reality would be
disclosed. I was distressed to keep up my appearances. However, when
I was aware of all these things myself and cried my heart out, I
felt truly relieved.
It was my very first time to make my pains, heartaches, clear and
face them. It was a terrific experience.And in the end, I asked
myself what I really want to do after all. It may be too late,
however, I want to live purely, I thought. Maybe I will not get it
back, but I want to try to live as such, and if I ever sing, I want
to sing these songs, the songs which saved my life, and I want to
send them to the people.
Starting "UTATABI Traveling
Concert"
In this way, I started this simple and hotest "UTATABI Traveling
Concert" tour in Spring, 1999 according to MASAYA's advice. So far,
I have visited about 3,000 places all over Japan.Also, since the
beginning of 2001, I visit welfare facilities to give voluntary mini
concerts in between regular ones.
... What kind of reaction do you get when
you visit welfare facisilities?
"Toshi from X JAPAN", that doesn't attract those oji-chans, oba-chans
(the elderly people) at all. When you expose your true self, sing
and talk with your soul, the elderly people will open up their
hearts, hug you, and love you for sure. Why don't you visit and
please them in a true sense? I started UTATABI after I received such
advice from him. I 'm sorry to say, however, I'm still worried about
other people's reactions and judgements when I cannot count on any
attractions.
The other day, I went to a place in Aichi Prefecture. I gave a
concert in a home for the aged. An old man came to me to buy one of
my CDs. He sat next to me, and started talking, "I'll be 89 years
old soon. I'll be dying soon." Everybody around him called him "SENSEI
(Doctor)", so I asked him if he ever had run a hospital. Then he
said, "I used to be a director of a big hospital in this
neighborhood, everybody called me 'Sensei! Sensei!', but I was
always feeling inferior in reality". and he started crying. I was
moved to hear him say with tears, "I am very happy to hear your song
before I die".
When people disclose their heartaches or honest feelings, they are
beautiful. Such touching feelings come from the deep in their hearts.
I am glad I have given concerts.
I often give concerts at school. After a concert at a Mie school, a
juvenile delinquent with brown-dyed Regent hair came to me and said,
(He had almost no eyebrows!) "Toshi-san, I wanted to be healed
myself!" to me. Then soon after that, there was a graduation
ceremony at the school. One of the teachers called me and said, "He
came to school with ordinary hair and clothes, and he was crying all
through the graduation ceremony!!" The boy also wrote me to tell me,
"I thought, being a bad boy, and making others watch me were good
things to do, but I realize now I had been very lonely at heart". Sometimes, I get reactions from the depth of their hearts, and I
feel so touched by them.
... You have such a beatufiul high-tone
voice, and your voice….
I have this voice by nature, and I was also feeling inferior to my
high, metallic voice.
... Is that so? It's such a nice voice….
I have this high-tone voice by nature, and I also have received the
best voice training of the world, however, I think I was making
wrong use of my voice. I used my voice to show it off and to feel
superior to others. Maybe I was given this voice of mine to express
something extensively, however, I chose to use it as a kind of arms
, to be superior, to be famous, to win over others. Therefore, I
came to realize even a nice voice would be harmful if my aim is to
win over others.
... So, you mean, it was a double-edged sword
for you?
That's right. So, if I make use of my voice to sing songs to admire
the whole beings, the natural world, it may be very beautiful.
However, if I sing to be superior, it will harm everything, I came
to realize that. And it is true I have used my voice to be superior.
But I want to throw my arms down little by little. There's a song
called "Travelers of the woods and the wind". It says, "I want to
change my way of life, I want to throw my arms down..." I'm such a
fearful person, and it's still difficult to do so.
... What is your plan for the future
activities?
I think MASAYA has created a trend of healing for these 10 years. He
often says we are lack of a sense of the wholeness, and of Ku (nothingness).
I myself have done what little I could to carry out the essential
works, to contribute to the people, to Nature, to the whole beings
with MASAYA as a producer for these 4 years. And I think I have
become tremendously richer both mentally and physically than the
time when I was a showy star.
People suffer a lot here in Japan, and many people commit a suicide,
and there're a lot of crimes. In such a barbarous age of today, I
want to sing and send these songs, songs which saved my life, to a
bit more people. I 'm helpless, and lost a sense of the wholeness
and Ku, either, but I want to send the true essence of each song,
although I cannot sing purely enough.
THE END OF INTERVIEW
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